# Saturday, January 20, 2007

I love DotNetNuke and all of what it offers, but after 3 years, and being somewhat battle scarred and weary - I got sick of having to compromise in so many ways with having to put up with 'second' best. And it flows on to many aspects about DotNetNuke that I guess I've had to grin and bear, and I would get so jealous of these very cool and funky looking blogs others had.

I visit and read other blogs and the distinct thing I notice is the lack of "blog" look and feel and functionaliy the DotNetNuke ones have, and partner that with the cumbersome URLS, the awkwardness of getting it to look like blogs (Ok I only made a half arsed attempt) I thought - wow, there has to be some time you make a stand and say - OK - I love the DNN project but I have to stop making excuses for settling for second best.

So, just before Christmas, I talked with John Mitchell who uses DasBlogs and thought I'd give it a try - I had a look at the ones from Presstopia and they are also very good but these blogs have a wider user base and themes you can apply without too much hassle.

Now, what I noticed surprised me - how fast it was picked up by search engines, how I can use the friendly urls which are just perfect - and with the Core DotNetNuke blogs, you'll be waiting a month of Sundays I think to get anything that will work.

I believe they are going to do a push and get the blogs moving this year- I thought they were fantastic when I looked at them and was new to blogging, but found that they have lost the plot somewhat because other things have moved so fast, and we're still working with clunky, matronly module type management.  And when I saw how fast, easy and well placed other blog applications that connect neatly and efficiently to websites, it also gives me the option of not being 'stuck'.

What concerns me about anything in the DotNetNuke core is the inability to upgrade as efficiently - so I've got my xd.com.au website on dnn 3.2.2 (yes that absolute shocker of build) and I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to upgrade my website and business model in the way I think gives me true independence.

Blogs are simply one of those things that are what they are.. I read a while ago - perhaps 3 - 4 weeks about an article saying that blogging will hit it's peak around mid this year -with something like 111 million bloggers world wide - hard to comprehend those figures, but nevertheless, a figure that caught my attention, as we see different ways people are communicating through podcasts, videos, blogging - you name it, we are communicating differently and I don't think some of the core DotNetNuke modules cut it when it comes to 'proper' business practices.

It seems that it's ok to spend all this time telling us how good and special we all are, when really, all I want to have is blogs that look and do what the others do.

What I found about these blogs was it took a little bit to configure them - and I played around with some extensions that do 'clouds', are xhtml, css managed, and as you can see, can be tailored to look like the website too. I guess that's what I'm looking at these days.

In the world of technology and open source, and passion, there also comes a time to think realisticaly that perhaps there is a need to step back and look at what you're trying to achieve as a whole.. rather than thinking that it must be one way or the highway.  I have enjoyed using the dotnetnuke core blogs, but I guess what I'm saying is that I've outgrown them. I stated with them, they were great, but now there are more things that are important to me, and the core blogs don't cut it, so because I want my blogs to grow with me, and not force me to compromise because I'm using DotNetNuke.

So, now I feel that I can actually upgrade my xd.com.au website since I will be bringing all my blogs across to this site in the next short while and work on a fabulous new DotNetNuke build that goes like a rocket.. 

If you are looking at blogs - think hard about how important it is for your business and establish whether you should be keeping this valuable information, independent from any other application - regardless of DotNetNuke or not, so that you're not stuck like I was with the thought of having to upgrade or do a new build of a website.

That's my take on the matter

Nina

Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:11:26 AM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Can those of use that started out on DNN 4.3.x install dasBlogs on our DNN sites. If so where do we find the module, or other magic? I don't what to have to set up a site using ASP.NET 1.1 and another using 2.0.

Regards,
/DaveS
Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:01:10 PM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Hi Dave,
dasBlogs runs on 2.0 framework if that's what you're wondering. It's not a module, it's not DNN, it's fast, xml based and sits in it's ownd directory, with it's own config files.

Having said that - I am not sure on the implications of running within a DNN directory, but I think it might be a bit messy. Although I have installed a .net mail app running in the same directory as DNN and the newsletter app, sitting in another folder, with the dll's residing in the same bin folder as DNN and they run perfectly together.

So, from what I understand you may be confusing the fact the dasBlog might be related to DNN, but it's not. And for me to bring all my blogs into this new blog location requires copying and pasting, but well worth the effort.

If there was interest, I'd be happy to create a video on how to install dasBlogs in your DotNetNuke installation, but would require some help from John Mitchell who helped me out alot to get it running.

Nina
Nina Meiers
Monday, January 22, 2007 6:25:04 PM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Nina, looks like you made a good move. I like DNN too, but as a blog platform its just not there and I doubt it ever will.

I started to look at dasBlog and its looks interesting, but I decided on a LAMP solution with wordpress in the end. I don't think I've made a mistake. One thing about blogs is the blogsphere and WordPress, TypePad, Blogger and the other ones built with LAMP all have hooks into systems such as technorati. Microsoft isn't really the best in this area. I thought of working on building up a real blogging system for the .Net platform, but have not really had time. Maybe I need to look at dasBlog again and see what it has.

Bruce
Monday, January 22, 2007 6:26:11 PM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
use the right tool for the job!

Keep up the good work.



~Dan
y01nk
Monday, January 22, 2007 6:38:05 PM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Bruce & Dan - I had to copy and paste your comments in here.. sorry - we did some changes to the server and the repercussions over last couple of days left me to do some forced maintenance!!

Anyway- You might want to look at the dasBlogs code Bruce, I know John spoke favourably of it. It has these cool little add one.. plug ins and you modify the config, add to bin folder and in theory little things like google search, clouds and other features are supposed to be there.. but alas.. it didn't work for me. It's also got cool themes, which I don't have set, but overall, I looked at others too - but I think it's got features here that are the same in the other well known blogs.

Thanks for your comments.... I didn't want to feel like I was doing this for the wrong reasons, eg.. DNN or Bust.. but on the other side, this is a whole lot of fun and a pleasure to work with.
... um.. when I remember to get the permissions set properly!

Dan... thanks for the vote of confidence.. I guess I have to follow my heart.

Nina
Friday, February 16, 2007 6:51:24 PM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
"... friendly urls which are just perfect ..."

How can you say that? Please educate me on how search engines use the "+" as dividers in URLs.
Friday, February 16, 2007 8:13:20 PM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Hi Tom
I wouldn't say it's the + in the name but more the fact it has the common words that are picked up by the search engines better than the tab ID, dates, and obscure non blog related format that the DNN blogs offer.

And I can only go on experience of having blogs on my XD site for 3 years which do not have friendly urls.

Thanks for the 'toned' response. I'm not an educator in this area, just commenting on my own experience, which has you may have read this disclaimer that it's my own personal opinion.

And how do I get that personal opinion you might ask.. by looking and comparing on historical data, comparisons and seeing how fast a pure 'blog' type of application get's picked up by the blog aggregrators by comparison to the dnn blog formats.

I'm sure you have your own opinion on this but thanks for the input.

Nina Meiers
Nina Meiers
Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:28:23 AM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
I totally agree with you, dasBlog URLs are way ahead of the URLs put out by the DNN blog module and even DNN itself. There is no question about that.

But your URLs are still not "perfect" ... dasBlog should replace the "+" with "-" ... is there a setting for that?

Oh, and when you get a min, check out http://subtextproject.com/. It's shaping up to be a nice little blog engine.

As a DNN "evangelist" I've decided to eat my own dog foot and build a blog around the News Articles module. Works great, even though I'm not totally happy with the URLs. I do see them indexed though.

Tom Kraak
http://seablick.com
Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:52:06 AM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Would you say that my blog looks like a blog? http://nes.nesinteractivos.com
And it's DNN ;)
Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:34:12 AM (AUS Eastern Daylight Time, UTC+11:00)
Tom - I spoke last night at an MVP dinner, with Scott from dasBlogs and he told me the + can be replaced by a - but from what I've asked around and read about, it doesn't make any difference.

I have got a few sites that use one or the other and I haven't noticed much difference, I thought friendly urls were more important, but for me - I think it's easier to type in a '-' than a '+' because you don't have to use caps.

I am an avid dnn user, but have found that if you're not careful, it can cost you time and money.

Hi Nestor - I had a look at your bogs - and it looks good, but honestly - I just feel that using dnn for blogs is clunky overall. I do like the functionality of a true blog application. It's quite different and I'm enjoying it more - in fact will be doing some skins for dasBlogs and other apps as well.

Nina Meiers
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